Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender

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Audience scores[edit]

@Toa Nidhiki05: I fail to understand how sources reporting their own sites' scores can be "not reliable". The question is whether they're relevant, which I think they are. Furthermore, the IMDb rating consists of both audience and critics scores (there is no separate rating section for critics), and I could include the Rotten Tomatoes critics score (which happens to be 100%), too, if you'd prefer that. Iroh (talk) 17:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Critics scores are reliable Audience scores never are. Toa Nidhiki05 18:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I see. The Rotten Tomatoes audience score will be replaced by its critics score, then. Would it be acceptable to keep the IMDb source, but use the word "ranked" instead? It is, after all, a critical publication in the sense that the ranked list of TV series has certain conditions (100K+ ratings), and their ratings include those of the site's critics. This would be akin to the "As of August 2019, Rotten Tomatoes has listed the film fourth on its list of the "Best Superhero Movies of All Time",[10][note 1]" sentence in the lead section of Wonder Woman (2017 film). Iroh (talk) 18:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
No. IMDb is user-generated and thus is not reliable. Including the actual critic reviews from RT, however, would be acceptable. Toa Nidhiki05 18:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
IMDb's ranked lists are partially user-generated, just like their Rotten Tomatoes counterparts, which are apparently "reliable". Would you please care to explain the difference? Iroh (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
How are RT lists user-generated? They are editorial pieces written by staff that take existing Tomatometer ratings and put them in a lit. IMDb scores are user-generated and thus aren't reliable. Toa Nidhiki05 19:07, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Firstly, you were right to remove WP:USERGENERATED audience scores, user voted web polls are simply not reliable sources. MOS:TVRECEPTION also makes it clear that IMDb scores are not allowed.
Although Rotten Tomatoes lists this show as having a score of 100% that is based on a combination of 9 reviews for season 1, 6 reviews for season 2, and 5 reviews for season 3, a total of only 20 reviews. Not a whole lot. It seems WP:UNDUE to put this in the intro, when Rotten Tomatoes is not mentioned at all in the "Critical response" section of the article, because the intro is supposed to summarize what is in the article. I would suggest moving it out of the intro and down to the "Critical response" section. -- 109.77.195.200 (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I still think it is misleading to put such emphasis on the 100% score from Rotten Tomatoes, and do not think it should be included in the intro. Again I recommend moving it down into the critical response section. -- 109.76.132.95 (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
It is good that the Rotten Tomatoes 100% was moved out of the intro but the Critical response section still fails to include proper context. At the very least "the show has a critics score of 100% on Rotten Tomatoes" should be changed to "the show has a critics score of 100% on Rotten Tomatoes based on reviews from 20 critics". (For comparison Rotten Tomatoes counted 190 reviews for the much maligned film, compared to just 20 reviews for 3 seasons of the show. It is misleading to try and present an impressive looking 100% when it is based on an unimpressive 20 reviews.) -- 109.76.195.210 (talk) 11:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 Done DarkFallenAngel (talk) 13:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I should have double-checked, and it is probably because the show has been getting so much attention on Neflix, but the number of reviews is as of July 2020 a total of 23 (season 1: 10[1]; season 2: 6[2]; season 3: 7[3]). -- 109.76.195.210 (talk) 18:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 Done Iroh (talk) 12:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2020[edit]

Please change the IGN Mike and Bryan reference URL to its current location at https://www.ign.com/articles/2007/09/06/interview-avatars-bryan-konietzko-and-michael-dante-dimartino --BaseFree (talk) 00:06, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

 Already done This appears to already have been done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Firelord or Fire Lord[edit]

An editor just corrected "Firelord" to "Fire Lord", saying the two-word spelling is used by "official sources". What official sources are these? The show itself uses the spelling "Firelord" onscreen, in the episode title "The Avatar and the Firelord". AJD (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I was referring to the official Avatar YouTube channel FULL Uncut "Aang vs. Fire Lord Ozai Final Battle" 🔥| Avatar. And your link appears to be dead. Iroh (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, https://books.google.se/books?redir_esc=y&hl=sv&id=h9s-0pRXqFcC&q=fire+lord#v=snippet&q=fire%20lord&f=false
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Search/Part-1?id=48667&readType=0#16 Iroh (talk) 23:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I see what you mean; but I'm not necesarily convinced that those sources should outweigh the spelling used on the show itself. AJD (talk) 23:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
You make a good point, too. It's just that the vast majority of canon/official sources spell it as "Fire Lord", and quite frankly, I think that works much better aesthetically. Imagine for instance the Earth King being spelled as "Earthking". Iroh (talk) 12:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Comic translation[edit]

I noticed that in the comics section (5.1.1), space is given to the Hebrew translation. The information is correctly referenced, but I feel that it should not be included in the article. For instance, what about other translations? Is there a specific reason why Hebrew is important? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.125.73.58 (talk) 04:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)