Talk:Star polygons in art and culture

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Creation of Star (symbol) article[edit]

This article was created following discussion on the Five-pointed star redirect, which used to point to Pentagram and now points here. See Wikipedia:Redirects_for_deletion#10_July. My suggestion had actually been to create a Five-pointed star article, but on reflection I felt that the distinctions between different types of stars are often blurred, and at least at first it would be more useful to create a single article that covered the ideographic and symbolic uses of this common device. Fuzzypeg ☻ 06:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Maybe if you had just changed the redirect to this article, we could have come to some compromise. --South Philly 05:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did change the redirect to this article! I created this article, then pointed the Five-pointed star redirect at it! Fuzzypeg ☻ 23:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

- Errr. Yes. What I meant to say was that we should have just created a five-point star article. --South Philly 00:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, explain why you would prefer an article named Five-pointed star rather than Star (symbol). If you disagree with my reasoning as stated above, explain why. I'm finding it really frustrating that you find so many disagreements with me, but don't state at the outset what your disagreement actually is. It's very hard to make any kind of progress in a debate if one party doesn't state their position, but merely says "I disagree", or "I don't like it". I'm happy to keep chatting as long as it takes to resolve this properly, but in my view this argument has become so surreal it's comical. I'm not trying to offend you, but I think you should realise how far we've drifted from a constructive debate. Lets get things back on line. Fuzzypeg ☻ 02:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pentagram, Hexagram and Heptagram (etc)[edit]

A dispute at Pentagram over whether a "five-pointed star" is a type of "pentagram" or the other way round, has spilled over to here. Assertions have been added to this page that a six-point star is a hexagram and a seven-point star is a heptagram. These assertions are incorrect for the same reasons outlined at Talk:Pentagram; hexagram (Greek hexagrammon, "of six-lines") and heptagram (heptagrammon, "of seven lines") are star polygons in which parts of the lines that compose them pass through the inner regions of the figure. I'm not going to bother reverting these changes until we get a proper resolution at Pentagram; we've already had an admin's resolution there, but the reverts are continuing. It's now being taken to mediation, and should perhaps also be taken to WP:LAME. Fuzzypeg ☻ 04:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Hexagram can be the Star of David, and heptagram mentions star in the first line. --South Philly 05:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Correct. Bravo. Look at the article Star of David and you will find in the illustrations that the lines extend through the central parts of the star (so that two interlaced triangles are suggested), unlike many other varieties of six-pointed star. And it makes sense for Heptagram to mention "star", since a heptagram is a seven-pointed star. However a seven pointed star is not necessarily a heptagram. Specifically, it must have those "internal lines" passing through the inner part of the figure to be a heptagram. That must be fifth or sixth time I've explained this to you, so I'm sorry for repeating myself so often.

It's unfortunate that someone has added examples of the "filled-in" versions (i.e. seven-point stars that have lost the attributes that make them heptagrams); calling these heptagrams is a misnomer and these examples should really be moved here. Fuzzypeg ☻ 02:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh. I see the incorrect material in Heptagram was added recently by Evrik, another party in this debate. I can't be bothered removing it until the debate is resolved (again). Fuzzypeg ☻ 03:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Other stars?[edit]

I know there are other stars not listed. Namely 9 pointed. I may be mistaken, but can stars go from 3 points up to N+1? If this is the case, Can a little bit of info on these other stars be added?Septagram 04:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Ksstarandcrescent.gif[edit]

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Lede and referencing issues[edit]

I tagged the article for improved referencing and lede rewrite. There is no lede section, only a single sentence, which itself is unsatisfactory. Clear in-line citations are needed throughout the text to clarify the ambiguous style of referencing present here. There are also many assertions here that beg references and may be removed. To remove all of these, however, would whittle this article down to a mere stub, and to pepper the article with Fact tags would render it virtually unreadable. I will do what I can to help out with it, though I may not have access to many references at this time. If anyone would like help with improving their citation tags, I would be happy to help. To begin with, I would direct anyone less familiar with the citation templates used on Wikipedia to WP:CITE and WP:Citation templates. I hope that helps. Thank you. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 08:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bias[edit]

This article seems biased, especially the first paragraph of the section entitled "Five-pointed stars". The phrase "and a symbol of mystical and magical significance" does not qualify itself to exclude the disbelief of mysticism. Furthermore, the phrase "represented the ten tribes of Israel that broke away from the ruling class of Judah, Benjamin, and the Priests" does not reference any works or articles, but is dependent upon a knowledge of ancient literature. Lastly, and most offensively, the phrase "which gave the symbol and evil demented meaning" (sic) indicates an opinion, especially that of a strong bias against satanism (in addition to it's typo). These phrases do not seem to coincide with the spirit of Wikipedia as a "strictly the facts" resource. Justaguy0479 (talk) 03:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

agree with the 'demented', but what is "disbelief of mysticism"? Is it like "disbelief in football"? As in you don't believe in pursuing the practice? Saying that the pentagram has "significance in mysticism" is like saying that the offside rule has a significance in football. You may not be interested, but it is hard to deny the fact. --dab (𒁳) 08:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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