Talk:Raewyn Connell

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Raewyn Connell[edit]

I think she is a woman now? -- schwarze feder 19:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC) [1] -- schwarze feder 19:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup needed[edit]

This article needs a cleanup. It needs to be more balanced. Parts of the article seems off-topic. Entheta 20:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Some of it is written from an opposing POV, and much of it doesn't belong here but in other articles relevant to the subject (gender study articles, articles on masculinity in society, et cetera). -- Shoejar^talk/edits 08:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorted. Needs more content under "Work". -- Shoejar^talk/edits 13:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Shoejar and others, for significantly improving Connell's page. I visited it about a month ago and was somewhat bothered by its incoherence, and by the relative lack of coverage given to a formidable scholar in my field. In the interest of further improving this article, however, I wonder if something more should be added about Connell's biography. I can see both sides to this issue. I realize that Wikipedia may view Connell's biography as beyond the scope of what's relevant about her, as the personal lives of "disinterested" scientists are supposed to be kept separate from their research. But given that Connell is a gender/masculinities scholar, some might find it relevant that she used to be a man, just as the Noam Chomsky article mentions his Jewish heritage in reference to what he has written about Israel. What do you all think? I don't have a strong opinion at this point, though I certainly agree that Connell's transgendered identity should by no means eclipse his professional achievements. M. Frederick 14:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's worth mentioning. Entheta 20:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi - I think your point about Chomsky above is apposite in the context of this discussion. Connell and most 'second wave' feminism rejected a biologically determinist account of women and their capabilities. On this account 'being' a woman is at least as much a matter of being subordinated and subject to discrimination and male violence as it is a matter of being in possession of female reproductive organs. In the absence of any intellectual explanation, Connell's transgender identity could be taken as a stark repudiation of the theory of the social determination of gender identity. It is certainly worth mention, in my view. Alternatively, we can differentiate between 'objective' social scientific inquiry and the personal life choices of intellectuals but only at the expense of collapse into what Alisdair Macintyre called 'subjectivism' (see 'After Virtue'). The cost is the loss of any common ground for moral or philosophical discussion. Tonguetwister 07:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

Currently there is more space given to criticism than anything else. This seems a bit disproportionate (though I feel it's clearly written and expressed). Especially since, from my own reading, at least some of the criticism has been to suggest a more detailed account is necessary - not to reject her work. That is, they form part of the normal academic process of weighing the strengths and weaknesses of a theory and helping to flesh it out. 203.217.150.68 (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

For instance in the linked article: "The definition offered by Connell (1995: 71), though complex, is suggestive. It warns us that masculinity is not the property of men, and reminds us to be wary of using the terms 'men', 'male' and 'masculinity' interchangeably." - they're in part making explicit something they felt was already present in her work 203.217.150.68 (talk) 07:15, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't have time to do it myself, but I found this - http://www.xyonline.net/content/connell-collection-papers - this would greatly assist in summarising her work and theory and also contains her more recent papers on masculinity where she addresses and incorporates other views. 203.217.150.68 (talk) 07:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

In Revision at 21 May 2010 the criticism completely removed, I don't think its the intention in the original chain here was to remove it completely , and its seems a bit odd, wouldn't it be more fair and helpful to show a more nuanced view on her works? 31.168.216.108 (talk) 10:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Curious question[edit]

Apologies if this is too personal a question, but out of curiosity I have to ask: does anyone know if Connell identified as a man at the time when she wrote the book Masculinities? Robofish (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

You may find your answer here: http://www.blogyouris.com/nu_gender_excellence/meet-raewyn-connell Totorotroll (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't recommend clicking that link, the website tried to attack my computer. Suzisabella (talk) 10:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

This might help:

Previously Robert W. Connell but now legally Raewyn Connell, she prefers to be referred to, even in the past tense, as a woman. In feedback on an earlier draft of this article, Connell explained: There is a basic reason for this, beyond the fact that that is my name and civil status now. Like other transsexual people, when I undertook the medically-assisted gender reassignment process it wasn't a sex change that happened but a search for recognition of a very long-standing reality. Ever since I was a girl, in fact. What has changed over the years is the way I have tried to deal with that reality.^[1]

EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:54, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

References

^ Wedgwood, N. (2009). Connell's theory of masculinity - its origins and influences on the study of gender. Journal Of Gender Studies, 18(4), 329-339. doi:10.1080/09589230903260001

Labor Party membership[edit]

I have removed the claim that she was a member of the ALP "before the party shifted to the right in the early 1980s"[reference: Kuhn, R. (2005) http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/clan.pdf "History of class analysis in Australia"; archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20060621153344/http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/clan.pdf]. The source does not say this about Connell. And the statement about the party is POV. Whitlam was as free market as Hawke. The statement suggests there was a dramatic change in the party at that point, and this wasn't true. The leadership group didn't change dramatically either. This claim is just misleading.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

[1] Wedgwood, N. (2009). Connell's theory of masculinity - its origins and influences on the study of gender. Journal Of Gender Studies, 18(4), 329-339. doi:10.1080/09589230903260001

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