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ATA and Northwest Airlines[edit]

Whoever removed ATA and Northwest better have a good reason. The airport's website clearly shows that they serve it. Mrld 21:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ATA and Northwest are codeshared with another airline serving ISP. Thus, codeshares should not be listed in airport articles per WikiProjects Airport. Bucs2004 02:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Official airport web site?[edit]

The recent edits of the external link for "MacArthur Airport (official site)" (www.macarthurairport.com) led me to take a closer look at this web site, which prior to my edit on 9-Oct-2005 was previously labelled "Macarthur Airport homepage". It does not appear to be an official site, as there is no indication that it is sponsored or authorized by either the airport or the Town of Islip. Rather, it seems to be an advertising based site and there is even an advertising link on the front page. A WHOIS search of the domain name and a Google search of the phone number listed on the web site both indicate that it is operated by a company called Black Sheep Television, located in Westhampton Beach, New York. The only official airport link I've been able to track down is a Long Island MacArthur Airport page on the Town of Islip web site. Based on this information, I am updating the external links to remove the text "(official site)" and add a new link for the Town of Islip airport page. Zyxw 08:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED - Although there's no discussion generated, it seems like a quite sensible move, well argued below. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

MacArthur Airport → Long Island MacArthur Airport – The official airport name is "Long Island MacArthur Airport" as per both FAA and the airport's owner, the Town of Islip. A normal move was blocked by an existing redirect page with that name. I doubt this really requires a discussion, but this is part of the procedure as listed in Wikipedia:Requested moves. Zyxw 08:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryanair[edit]

Dublin International Airport in Ireland (The airport from which RyanAtlantic had announced they are going to fly) has US customs and Immagration Pre-Clearance. This supposively means that MacArthur Airport will not have to build Customs and Immigration. -Braditude (talk) 15:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Long Island MacArthur Airport[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Long Island MacArthur Airport's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Frontier":

  • From Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport: "Flights to Minneapolis-St. Paul (MSP)". Retrieved 19 July 2017.
  • From Trenton–Mercer Airport: https://planetprinceton.com/2017/08/24/frontier-airlines-to-offer-non-stop-service-from-trenton-mercer-airport-to-miami-and-increase-trips-to-two-other-florida-destinations/

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

International?[edit]

Hi, San Juan is not an International destination, is part of the same nation as Islip: the United States of America. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:285:4080:26F5:16D:A16F:2E70:ED3D (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect distances[edit]

@Andrewgprout: Regarding this edit I made which you reverted:

Yes, I know what the airport's website says. I will quote it here:

The Islip Airport in Long Island is about 60 miles to the west of Manhattan.

This is factually wrong. Islip Airport is east of Manhattan, not west. (Unless you want to argue that if you travel 24856 miles west, you will reach Islip.) That alone shows that the source contains one error. But maybe that's just one trivial mistake that can be forgiven, and the rest of it is fine. Let's keep going.

As for the distance: if you draw a line from Manhattan 60 miles east towards Long Island — or more relevantly for this article, if you take a helicopter from Manhattan and travel 60 statute miles east towards Long Island — you will end up somewhere between Mastic Beach and Wading River, almost exactly at Brookhaven Airport, not Islip.

Just because a source says something, doesn't make it true. Maybe the airport's website meant to say that it's east of Manhattan, not west, and maybe it meant that it's 60 miles by car. Since it doesn't specify how they came up with a distance of 60 miles, we can only guess. Even if it was by car, I would still dispute that distance, because even though it depends on what part of Manhattan you start/end at and what route you take, the directions I'm finding show it to be between 50 and 55 miles driving. But the exact distance driven doesn't matter, because an encyclopedia shouldn't describe the distance between two points on the planet in terms of driving distance, as it's not easily verifiable. Great circle distance is the only repeatable verifiable metric to use here, and by that metric, 60 miles is factually incorrect.

Here's another fact-check: 60 miles (to Manhattan) plus 72 miles (to Montauk Point) would be 132 miles. However, Long Island is only 118 miles long. That leaves 14 miles unaccounted for. Since Manhattan is not 14 miles wide, nor is it 14 miles from Long Island, the figures given by the airport's website clearly have a problem.

If this article is going to state that Islip Airport is "60 miles east of Manhattan", then a clarification needs to added that it's 60 miles "by car". (Which, again, is a claim we can't verify, since the source doesn't state that it's talking about the driving distance.) But I maintain that this is the wrong metric to use, and that my original edit was best, by correcting the measurements to use great circle distances. --Bigpeteb (talk) 17:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The reference is not wrong (except for the east west bit) it says exactly what it was written to say it does say "about" - it is indeed probably talking about 60 miles by car and is, against what you try to say above, what is probably useful within an encyclopaedic context. Please be very careful of falling into the I know better than the reference trap - "because I just know it is true" is the sort of thinking that will get you absolutely nowhere on Wikipedia. Also please note as per WP:V we do not question whether the reference is true we can only verify that the reference says what is written. True references can have different qualities WP:RS and discussion controls that. I would say this is a reasonably low value reference and the best thing to do is to find another higher quality reference and cite it in the article and reword the entry so that it is clear what is being meant. Andrewgprout (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Andrewgprout: Thank you for responding.
Well, at least we're starting to agree on some things. I think WP:VNOTSUFF applies here: verifiable just means that someone said it, not that it's accurate or that we have to include it in WP.
I don't see where in WP:V it addresses "whether the reference is true". However, it does say that we must use reliable sources, and that "questionable sources are those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest"; I think one or more of those are true regarding the source in question. The relevant policy whether cited information is accurate is WP:RS, and in case I haven't already made myself clear, I'm disputing the reliability of the airport's website regarding this particular statement. (I take your description of it as a "low value reference" to mean you would agree, yes?)
When I see distances between locations mentioned in WP articles, I don't usually see citations on them, but if you don't agree that it's a routine calculation (WP:CALC), then we can try to find another source without relying on WP:OR. How about Airnav's page on KISP, which republishes data from the FAA's Airport/Facility Directory? That says KISP is "40 miles E of NEW YORK, NY". That's nautical miles, equivalent to 46 statute miles. Can we agree that the FAA is a reliable source on the location of US airports?
If we can't agree on how to measure the distance or what reliable source to cite, how about if we simply remove this sentence from the article? That probably fits best with WP:VNOTSUFF. In most WP articles about airports, I don't recall seeing a description of the distance to major cities or landmarks. It's extraneous information; the article already has the coordinates of the airport, with which readers can calculate the distance to any point they desire, whether they want the distance by air or by car. That would certainly satisfy me; how about you? --Bigpeteb (talk) 21:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree in three ways. First, that highway driving distance is not appropriate for a worldwide encyclopedia, secondly that the source currently there is clearly erroneous and should be replaced with a higher quality source if the sentence is kept, and thirdly that we can eliminate the sentence entirely because the whole listing of New York City is pretty spurious for this. oknazevad (talk) 14:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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